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Episode 33: What The Human Race Has Built is Sub-Optimal with Institute For Future’s Michael Kleeman

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In this episode of The Thinking Leader Podcast Bryce speaks to Michael Kleeman, a technology strategist whose particular skill is in bridging technical and business issues. 


Michael is currently Senior Fellow at the University of California, San Diego, working on critical systems and infrastructures with a focus on creating resilient communities. He is also a Board member at the American Red Cross, the Institute for the Future, and a senior advisor at BSR.


Bryce and Michael discuss dealing with problems in complex systems. The main problem facing the human race is the fact we have built sub-optimal systems and processes that are unsustainable. These systems inherently produce waste products and lose value on a local level. Bryce recalls the time he met the founder of Toyota and how their company had a 100 year plan, positing that planning this far ahead is a necessity.


Michael wants to see CEOs and leaders be incentivized to optimize their businesses for the long term. It is important for leaders to have a reason why they do what they do.


In this episode you will hear: 

  • How to use critical thinking to navigate the complexities of the world
  • The intergenerational discount rate and the effects it has on how we make choices 
  • Why you should think long term instead of short term
  • What to do to become a mission driven leader 


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Bestselling business author Bryce Hoffman and agility expert Marcus Dimbleby talk about decision making, strategy, resilience and leadership with some of the world’s best CEOs, cognitive scientists, writers, and thinkers in this weekly podcast. Each episode offers new ideas and insights you can use to become a better leader and a better thinker – because bad leaders react, good leaders plan, and great leaders think!


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